# 103 | How to Handle Imposter Syndrome in Interior Design (And Why It Shows Up at Every Level)

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Meyer. Becca Meyer. Well. Hi. We're here today to talk about imposter syndrome. Yes. Remember last time we met, we were talking, what were we talking about? We were talking about creativity, nurturing, creativity. Yes. Seeing this set episode, great episode. A little bit of banter may have happened, but it was all good.

I hope it came along to the right. But we started to touch on this idea of imposter syndrome. Yes. Which is something that people, designers, women, often. Say they have. Yes. I've said it many times. Yes. And I'm here to maybe challenge this idea that we need to be saying this about ourselves. So yeah. I'm ready to get into it.

Let's, I wanna start with this question. Beckett, tell me about a time, or have you, can you think about a time where you feel like you experienced imposter syndrome and maybe it kept you from making critical decisions? Yes. Or moving forward with something. Tell me about that. Yeah. Yeah, so I certainly experienced some imposter syndrome in my career.

Earlier on in my career. I shared early, earlier in the episodes that I was a teacher and then I teacher coach, and a principal and I, that wasn't. Ever. My goal, I kind of, I wanted to be a teacher, be a teacher. A teacher. I wanted to be a teacher, but to kind of move up and be a principal, it kind of happened over time.

People seeing that I had skillset naturally, and obviously they had said everything around her and, and so. I often would have imposter syndrome that I didn't have all of the degrees that people had that were also sitting in my seat. Yep. That I didn't, didn't necessarily have the background. I actually, I came through to teaching through Teach for America, which is a great program, but it was not a traditional college experience either for teachers, so kind of didn't have the same background and I think that.

While I was really excited that people saw such promise in me, there were times in which I would hear other people talking about. Other principals talking about kind of all of these things that they had learned along the way. And it really made me feel like, oh, maybe I don't belong here. Like maybe I don't have that, like the right background to have a seat at the table.

And I think that it did hold me back sometimes from having the confidence to like quickly make some decisions, made me kind of. Double second guess things. Mm-hmm. I think in the first episode I talked a little bit about like how I would think differently maybe than other people and thinking outside of the box.

So kind of pairing that with not having the same educational background would make me feel like maybe I don't know what I'm doing here. And so, and then I think that. Lots of women, you know, are still figuring out where their place in Yeah. Kind of higher levels of leadership Totally are. Yeah. So, yeah.

Yeah. Which is more about the, says more about the society where we live. Yeah. Versus our own internal struggles. Yeah. Takes work to push against that. Yeah. For mostly for, for women. Mostly. Yeah. You know, in society now, when you look back at that time. Yes. Does it make sense now that you've had some. Like, are you able to see now why you were poised for that position?

Yes. I, I think so. I think, but I, you have to actively think about it. I think I have to actively think about it. Yeah. You know? Sure. And, and really like, critically think through it because I still have feelings creeped up. Well, I have had, I would say, a. An evolution of how I feel about that word, partic in particular, imposter syndrome.

I've talked about this before, but there was a really great article by the Harvard Business Review. I pulled up her name earlier, but I shoot, I forgot it. There's two women who authored this article for the review, and the title of it was Stop Telling Women that they Have Imposter Syndrome. And what they were really trying to point out was that by using this word syndrome, specifically the word syndrome, we are pathologizing women, which is something we've historically done to women, that there's something wrong with you.

Specifically versus, oh, we didn't, we don't actually live in a society that is designed to help support you. Thinking specifically about women in their place, in the workplace and childbirth and all that. If growing families and all of that, they, they make a point that the workplace hasn't always been really friendly for helping women get ahead so that when you do get that seat at the table, it can feel really.

Uncomfortable and like you don't belong there when actually you really fucking belong there. Yeah, you're much needed there and your voice is really important there. And so this became this, I would say, battle cry for workplaces to say we need to make workplaces more conducive to supporting, to supporting women.

So anyway, that I took that specific article I took to heart, I really started to see it differently. She suggested that we start to use the word. Imposter phenomena. Okay. Uh, to better describe it. That's a lot of syllables for me though. Mm-hmm. So, but here's kind of where I've gone to now that has been an even, I think, further evolution for myself, which is that I have a hundred percent experienced imposter feelings.

Mm. I think that's kind of the terminology that feels better is like, okay, that's a feeling. It's temporary. Mm. I mean, we've heard Michelle Obama when she's in the White House talking about how she had imposter feelings. Viola Davis, I mean, incredibly successful, powerful, influential women saying that they've had these same experiences too.

So I think to some degree it's very normal. But here's the. Thing that I've been starting to sort of feel itchy about hearing. So in the Designer's Oasis membership, we have monthly coaching office hours and it, I think every month there's somebody there where there's an issue or there's a problem or a challenge and we're stuck on something.

And it boiling down to this idea of imposter syndrome. So we have these conversations quite a bit. We talk about it quite a bit and. Ultimately where I would like to see us involved too, myself included, is that we kind of call bullshit on it because I think that by saying, well, I have imposter syndrome can very easily fall into excuse territory for not making critical decisions or not raising up to a challenge that it might be hard.

Sure, you might fail. So, mm, I like that. I, so what? Yeah, I, yes, that's right. I, well, I like that kind of reframe of feelings. Because it makes me think, I talked about therapy in the last, yes, we we're gonna do it, but I do remember, yeah, just thinking through with my therapist that, you know, you can, you can feel something or you think something, you don't have to believe it.

Right. You know, and I think that kind of reframes it as like it's not actually a thing that you have, it's a feeling that you're having and you can choose. What to do with it. Right? Yeah. Meaning you can, you know, not everything you say is necessarily true. Is that like meaning that Sure. Or meaning that not everything that you think is necessarily true?

Sure. And that you can decide that. You, you are an imposter. Or you could decide that today my next step is going to not reflect being an imposter. I'm just going to do the thing I have to do. Mm-hmm. And, and put that feeling, categorize it as like a, that's not a true. Acknowledging it in that, that that's how I was feeling in, in that moment, or.

Or have been feeling over this period of time? I can think of a really specific, and I, I probably can't share it here because it's kind of personal, but I can think of something specifically just as early as last night where I had a, a tough conversation with a friend and I was really thinking about it afterwards and, and reflecting on it and.

My brain started to spiral into just some really terrible negative self-talk, and in some ways feeling culpable or responsible in a, in a, then I, I didn't do anything wrong. They didn't do anything wrong. It was just a misunderstanding. Yeah, we worked it out, but I could have chosen to stay on that train of the self, the negative self-talk.

Sure. And just because. I think those things in my head for that period of time, I'm putting words into their mouth that they didn't say right. Right. They didn't say those things. And so that's, I think the key difference is not everything that we think, not everything that we say is necessarily true. And if, if we can start.

From there. Then you said something earlier about faking it till we make it. Oh, yeah. I think there's some truth to that. That was my number one go-to. Just fake it till you make it and advice. That was always my advice to, to, to teachers too. Well, I think that that, that there's some research starting to show that from an energetic standpoint, that that, that there's some.

There's some truth behind that phrase. Hmm. Acting as if you are the boss that you want to be acting as If you are at the level that you are aiming for, where you wanna be in terms of, you know, growing your, your business or whatever it is that you wanna do. That if you can energetically find yourself in a place where you can see yourself and visualize and embody, like what that would feel like to, you know, be in that place where you're trying to get to that.

You are actually getting closer to it just by focusing on it and thinking about it. And unfortunately, the reverse is true. Yeah. So if you are in your mind's eye visualizing yourself as an imposter Hmm. As somebody who doesn't have, we were going through some of the feelings that came up ear earlier, maybe that you don't deserve.

A seat at that table or that you don't have the right credentials for some, I know a lot of designers, yeah, that's just gonna ask, that's a lot of designers that said, oh, I don't have a formal education or degree. This is a second career, sort of switch and move. Very relatable. There's a lot of members like that that come from that place and so feeling like they don't have the, you know, letters at the end of their signature line to, to give them those credentials.

So. But realizing that you don't, those aren't necessarily requirements to be able to do what you wanna do really well. That said, I am somebody who is a classically trained interior designer, and I very much do value my education, but I can also look at hundreds of examples of very successful interior designers who never went to school for a day in their life.

So it's just. It's kind of a different path. I mean, there's people who grew up in it. There's people who just have this natural inclination. I also went to college with plenty of designers in my program that they had no business being in that degree. Mm-hmm. They just didn't have what? Check in my opinion.

Just like, so yeah, I mean, I think like what ultimately ends up mattering is, is. The outcome. Right. I think like in, in interior designer case, that would be the product. The home renovation, you know, the, the interior design project. Mm-hmm. In my case it was, you know, student to outcomes. Mm-hmm. And I, I mean, when was the last time that you had a client ask you where you went to school?

It's funny you say that until yesterday. Literally never, literally not. We should have recorded this podcast two days ago. Yeah, you'd asked me before yesterday. I'd say never. Nobody's ever asked me, but it was kind of a unique case. So it was a gentleman in the industry, the commercial design side, who was looking to hire us.

And so it made sense that he would've, those questions. But anyway, my point is, yeah, very rarely. I mean it, I could see though, and in my case it would've been the same way. Like it can build confidence to, you know, have that background. But I think there's many places that you can get that confidence as well, right?

Being, you know, having success with some clients or taking some continuing education classes to make sure that you're up to date on. You know, I think there's a lot of ways that you can build that confidence. That, that don't necessarily have, have to be through that.

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So I, I think what I'm trying to say is just, there's kind of two ways to approach this. Impostor syndrome, impostor phenomenon, imposter feelings, and I think there's. You know, one path and, and I think we need to be doing both kind of at the same time. Mm-hmm. There's this one path of like, okay, fill in those knowledge gaps.

Yeah. Where it's really important, right. If you don't know how to use COD or SketchUp or whatever, and that's important to you. Then go learn it or hire somebody that can do it, or take some design courses to help your confidence or business courses. 'cause for some people, it's not the design part, it's more of the business side of things that feels really complicated.

Yep. And that's definitely where I was when I started my own business. But then there's the other side of it, which is really being focused on our internal dialogue. Our self-talk and thinking about our energy and where we are putting it, and really not allowing yourself to get stuck right in the imposter syndrome phase for too long, because that's gonna keep you from progress.

Yeah. Making those right next steps, I think you can. Kind of train your brain to recognize it and then maybe, maybe think through some like prompts that would make you kinda move, get over the hurdle Yes. Of, of what is in the imposter syndrome. So yeah, I know affirmations are really woowoo and like kind of cheesy, but I kind of like 'em.

Do you have any. Well, specifically for this, no, no, but I, I mean, I could, I think, I think what is kind of cool is that we're, I'm, I'm a science dude. I like your research. So there's a lot of research out there that shows. The how impactful affirmations are, how beneficial they are. So if that's something that you're inclined to do, what I will typically do is I have, there's some podcasts, there's some YouTube, there's a lot of free content out there that has affirmations type of work.

But that is in a way, that is a big part about of retraining your brain. Yeah, we learned not that long ago that neuroplasticity exists and that our brain can be rewired. We can create new neural pathways, and a lot of times that imposter syndrome isn't unique to this one experience. This is sometimes a lifetime of messaging that maybe we received as a child.

Not to get too therapeutic here, but you know, maybe there were things that you were sub told that you've held onto subconsciously, and you're carrying that with you into your place now and. That's where these voices come in that aren't really serving you. Yeah. And so by doing things like affirmations or meditations or there's, you know, other things, we can start to create new neural pathways where our brain more naturally.

Looks at these challenges with excitement and applying creativity. So if you missed our last episode, we talked about the, the business case for nurturing creativity, and so that's kind of how this, this ties into all of this. But, but yeah, I mean, I think it's, it's really cool that we have the ability to do that if we will do that work to say, you know what, sure.

I maybe don't feel. Completely confident in this area, but I'm getting there and I'm right where I need to be. And the comparison game between who we're following on Instagram, mm. It has got to kind of take a backseat yes. To this work because this is really, really important work. Yeah. Well. From a, from kinda the other side of, I I think you're, it's so funny when you say you're kind of woo woo.

I sometimes I do. Well, sometimes I, because I, I do have this challenge, sometimes I have tr I do have trouble like saying good things, nice things about myself. I think that. Is a challenge some people have. So if a way that I've kind of worked around that is, you know, having a close circle and when I'm feeling these feelings coming in mm-hmm.

Asking them to say some nice things about me or say some things that they have appreciated about work that I've done or. What, whatever the case may be. Yes. Yeah. I think it gets to the same kinda brain science a little bit sense of like hearing, hearing the positive Yes. Things. Yeah. And like helping that, helping you be able to, um, combat the imposter feelings.

I love that you're willing to ask that because I can, oh my gosh. Well, I can be kind of direct and, and knowing what I need and so even after the first episode, I was like, Kate Don. Tell me I did good. You know? Oh yeah, you did ask that. That, you know, just because that's gonna be what helps me do it again, even if real you did great, you know, and then you think you can do it because you heard the words.

Yeah. You know, the more time that you spend thinking about the, the positive side or the positive outcomes that you can have, I do think it changes the way that you actually think about it. What you might do next, you know? Well, doesn't this come back to the visualization piece? Yeah, right. It's like when you can start to see yourself in the exact position that you want to be in or picture the exact outcome that you want to have.

I had to have a really, you know, tough budget conversation with some clients recently. I was super nervous going into that conversation and. I had to, I visualized how the conversation went. Oh, I like that. I wanted to make sure that the clients. Walked away, continuing to feel trust for us, and also feeling like we had their best interest at hand and that we're just here to lay out options.

And this is really a decision for them to make in terms of what they wanted to do. I mean, listeners are gonna know budgets always come back more than what the clients want, and it's like really put pen to paper. We're often, oh, excuse me, we're often left. You know, being the person to say, look, this is what it's actually gonna take to get you there.

Do we wanna value, reevaluate anything? Whatever. So it's like it's being in that position and it's, it's never really fun, but it's a really important one. Yeah. And so visualizing that conversation was really important to me, being able to show up with those clients, right. With the kind of confidence that I needed for them to continue to trust.

Because if I showed up and I was like, well, I don't know. I mean, like I can like. Keep checking away at this and find ways right to, you know, trim the budget and right. Cut the design and you know, so it's like, look, no, this just is what it is. And how'd it go? It went great. You know, they're still starting to decide what they're gonna ultimately do.

You know, they're gonna go through the full shebang or whether they're gonna come with their original vision. But, you know, this often happens. Clients come to us with an, an initial, I dunno, we might be getting off topic here, but come to us with an initial. Vision of what they wanna do and a, and a and a budget that they have in mind.

But then they only get our hands on it. We're like, if we're gonna do this, we're gonna need to do that and this, and like, have you thought about doing this? And it's like, and if you do it all the, it's gonna be pretty fricking amazing. And then they're like, sure how much it's gonna cost. You're like, five times what you were thinking.

And they're like, yes, let's go for it. So it, you have to have confidence going right into those conversations. You do. So if you are stuck in imposter. Feelings, then you cannot show up as the right boss that you truly need to be to, for people to start to be able to trust you with bigger projects and with their money.

Right? Yeah, I, your story really made me think of a few hard conversations that I had to have as. A principal and, and thinking, you know, is there another adult in the room that's gonna do this? Like, oh yeah, hard one. And, and you know, it's like, Nope, it's time. We're gonna, and I, the anecdote that you gave around.

Saying the numbers with confidence and not saying like, oh, I can look at this and I can look at, that resonated so hard with me because I had a couple, you know, there would maybe a couple kiddos that were not on track to finishing the school year with all of their credits. And at a, there has to be a point at which the decision has been made and you know, waffling back and forth makes people.

Uncertain that you like, know what, what you're doing, and, and you lose trust. Mm-hmm. That really resonated with me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Because you, you had to have a hard conversation, but you, you couldn't come to that table. Yeah. On the fence, right? That's right. That's right. There's been, yeah. Yes. Well, okay, so we've talked about.

Kind of maybe reframing what imposter syndrome is, maybe choosing different language, um, and really reframing it as this is a temporary feeling. Yeah. Just because you're thinking this or feeling this way doesn't mean it's actually true. You know, is this really true? Is often Okay. Good question to start with.

Yeah. But I think I would like for us to just talk about what, what can we do now that. When we find ourselves feeling this way. 'cause I don't wanna diminish anyone's experience. Yeah. Or their feelings. I said off the top, this is something I feel like I've experienced, but now that we've established, okay, it's not gonna to stay there.

And it's also not good to sort of use that as a crutch for too long because I think that will also get in your way. Mm-hmm. Of taking the right next step. Yeah, and I had this little card over on my desk that says I only ever have to do the right next thing. And I think we are sometimes conditioned to, I.

I think that, you know, everything that we do in, in business design or whatever has to be very strategic and, and we, there's so much pressure that we put on ourselves to like a, know what the right next step is, and B, be able to see the total end goal. Sometimes we don't, we can't see the end goal completely.

Sometimes where we land, where we end up being is way better than anything we could have imagined. So. Just really allowing yourself to stay present and focused on how, okay, you can have goals, right? We can set goals, we can give ourselves a pathway for getting to the place where we want to be, but then we have to kinda let, I think a little bit of our grip of control of exactly how that's gonna look to get there, and just a little bit of trust that things are gonna work out.

Even if you don't have all the answers, even, even if you don't know everything, you will get there. You're right where you need to be and you know, really paying attention to comparison and finding, you know. What does your inner dialogue sound like when you are scrolling? Instagram. Yeah. And stalking other designers in their websites.

Right. They are on a different path. They're having their own experience and so are you. And what you bring to table is incredibly valuable and let's focus on that. I think that is so helpful because it's like sometimes if you think about it so holistically, it can feel really big and it could, that really could feed into those thoughts of like, holy, this is so big that I can't do it.

Where if you. If you kind of shrink it down to steps, if you are looking at just the next thing, well, I can do that, you know, and manageable, oh, the next step. Like I could do that. Yeah. So I can imagine how that would really help when you're, especially when you're thinking about a big project, like a whole interior design scope.

Yes, yes. I can't tell you how many coaches I've left out when they've asked me, what's your five year poem? I'm like, girl, what's for dinner? I have never been able to answer that five year plan question and I can do three, three feel sad the five years. I'm like, that's too far. I don't know. And they hate, they don't like that.

I don't wanna answer that, and I'm like, I don't know. It's too far. How about connects to our first episode of like. Permission to pivoting, you know? Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Just like you don't nobody in a corner. Yeah. Know. Maybe I wanna change my lines. Maybe I wanna go from being a biochemistry major to working for an entire interior designer who knows.

The world is your oyster, the world. You never know. We're gonna meet tomorrow. That's right. Yeah, you don't know that the world will turn on its head when you go pick up your kids today. Like we just don't know. Yeah. So we talked about before we hopped on what are some things that we can do? So let's, let's review some of those.

Yeah. One of the things I said was flip, flipping the script and flipping the script to me is just about being really mindful of how we're talking to ourselves. Maybe not using the word imposter syndrome, but say. Okay, I'm gonna think of something that we hear a lot, which is, I, I, I have imposter syndrome is, I don't have a formal degree in interior design.

I'm, what do they call it? I dunno. New to the industry. And that is why they have imposter syndrome. And I think a different way of approaching that is instead of saying, I have imposter syndrome, which is gonna just cause you to get stuck because you don't have these, these credentials. I would ask you to first of all pause and look at, can you point to other examples where there are people who have done what you're trying to do?

You can probably find plenty of examples, but also flipping the script about where you think you need to be. You are right where you are, period. Your journey's different than the person next to you. Yeah. And something has led you to this moment. There has been something. Stirring inside of you, a little fire that is starting to be tended to, and there's a real drive to, to do this.

In this case we're talking to interior designers and being able to, to have this creative practice. What led you here? What are the signs that have pointed you here? You are not here by accident. You're here because you have a gift that you are wanting to share with others. Are you gonna let a piece of paper that.

Uh, you know, be the thing that keeps you from taking that right next step. Or are you gonna find a way to fill in those educational gaps? Mm-hmm. Right. Movement. I don't have the time or the budget to go to a four year, you know, accredited program university, but you can still get a really great education in other ways and start right from where you are.

So, flipping the script for me is. Finding ways to, to change how you approach this, these limiting beliefs.

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I, I liked your example earlier when you talked about kind of. Okay. Your example earlier made me think of some, somebody said to me once, dress for the job you want. I don't know. I don't know what I think of the, the anecdote itself, but it just makes me think. I'm like, dress for the job you want, sir.

You're sitting them in sweats. But what it made me connect to the flip to the script is like flip the script is like you could tell yourself you're an imposter or you can just. Side that I'm not, that I am this amazing interior design. You get to, you get to flip that script, you get to decide, you get to dress for the job you want, I don't doubt.

Right. You know? So I'm hearing you say like, well, that's a decision, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Okay. Without ever sharing my kids, too much of my kids' personal information, but one of my kids had this habit of waking up every morning and not really, not wanting to go to school and, you know, frustrated with some stuff at school.

Totally understandable. But you know, would say things like, oh, it just could be a terrible day. And it's like, well, probably if you're talking like that, you know? So, yes. I think you said it earlier. There's a phrase, what was it that, yeah, there's a saying. It's like you, whether you think you can, or whether you think you can or you think you can.

You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all in how you frame it, right. What you decide to do with that. I just need a little reframe. Yeah. I like it. You got this. All right. Well, what's, what's next? What else? Well, we also talked about not trying to have the, is it a hundred yard view? 10 oh oh sure. 10,000 yard view.

What is, yeah, what's the phrase I make? I make step ads. Right. I don't know, but it, but take the next, you just take the right deck, stop, and then the right next steps. Yeah. This is what, what information do you have today? What do you know right now? Yes. And how can you use what information you have today?

Taking the next right step knowing that you can pivot, knowing that it might be wrong. Yeah. You might change your mind. You might wish you had done something different, but you can only do what Yeah. With what you work, with what you have today. And so there's no sense in allowing yourself to get so stuck in indecision or just these, these feelings of inadequacy that are, that are going to hold you back.

I thought I was gonna sneeze. Come again. I thought you had something really profound to say. I thought you were so moved by my words that I was like seeing my little hair flip over here. I'm like, yes girl. Take this to turn. No, you were just gonna, sneeze was girl, but it was, it was profound. So profound that I was about to sneeze.

Okay, I'm gonna let you take the next one. All right. Yeah. So one thing that I think about is, and I talked about it already, is how if you are having feelings that, that you're an imposter, a thing that you can do is just like do something hard and it builds your confidence. And then. When it comes again, it's easier.

Mm-hmm. And then, and you're not telling yourself then that story that you can't do it because now you've done something hard. And I loved what you shared when I. Had that idea. Oh, what did I share? Oh, you shared, you shared that like, sometimes it doesn't even have to be doing the hard thing. That if you reflect back on a time that you've done something hard, that it can also help you, you know, recall, well, you talked about it.

Very scientific, but in, in layman's terms. That for me, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. Second one with a science degree that, but in layman's terms is that you ca you recall back a thing that you did that was hard and that builds confidence and kind of fights this idea of, of, of being an imposter. And, and I like the idea of thinking of as like, fighting, fighting the, the imposter idea because the imposter, I, it's not.

I'm not mad at people that have the feeling of imposter syndrome because it's like in the water. It's like how we operate, and I think that having tools to fight against it, having prompts when you feel it coming on and like making yourself aware to what are the things that I'm saying to myself when I think that I'm not good enough to be in a space, and then how can I prompt myself out of that with.

Remembering a hard thing that I've done with mm-hmm. Trying a small step in the direction. Right. And we know that because we know that 95% of our thoughts are subconscious. Yes. So, yes, you can. So your brain truly doesn't know the difference between if you're actually doing a hard thing. Or if you're visualizing and imagining yourself doing something really hard.

So what's really cool about that is that yeah, you can choose to, you know, go do something really hard, something really challenging, because that's gonna help boost your confidence. And I think that is a great approach. But also if it's, if you need like a really quick fix and you can't, you don't have time.

If you can just simply visualize yourself either, either something you've actually done in the past mm-hmm. Or. Something you would like to do. I don't know, walk a fucking tightrope type tightrope. I can't talk. Mm-hmm. Just the act of visualizing it and thinking about it. Your brain doesn't, your psycho subconscious brain truly doesn't understand the difference, but it can still have that same effect of just like, feeling more confident in, in moving forward.

Yeah. That's what it is. What, well, what hard things are you gonna do then? Well, I, oh, I think about some hard things too. Wow. What hard things am I gonna jail, sit down to deal with taxes? I cannot. I can do hard things. Oh, man. What a fun thing to do, actually. Yeah. It seems, it's like I, I don't, I pay somebody to do this.

I'm like, oh, I gotta still get all this stuff together. All the things I know. Yeah. Okay. Never know. All, all the, my brain just goes to things that are like athletic. I'm like, I'm gonna do a half marathon. I'm not gonna do that. I've done one though, so I can recall. I can recall it. You can think about the time that you completed a marathon, half, half, whatever.

It's got the word marathon in it. I have not done anything with this sort of marathon in it. Unless we're talking about sleep deprivation. Okay. That's for another story. So do a hard thing. Do a hard thing, or think about a time when you did a really hard thing or overcame something really challenging too.

Yeah, that's good. What else, Becca, what else do we have to share? I, I think we're ready to wrap. No? Yeah. Okay. Great. Okay, couple things. We are coming up on a the spring reset, which is gonna be great. What are we gonna do for the spring Reset? Tell us about it. I am so excited for this event. So what the spring reset is, it's a four day guided experience for you.

So you can sign up on our website, we have tickets available right now. You can go to designers oasis.com/reset. Mm-hmm. And what is gonna happen when you sign up is starting on March 9th. You will receive, we'll have a three day guide. They're guided pro, so you're gonna receive a video every day, one every morning for three days on the ninth, 10th, and 11th.

Yep. And inside is gonna be some mindset work. We're gonna talk about some of these ideas around what might be holding us back, what might be some of those things that are bubbling under the surface that are keeping us from fully showing up or taking that next big step, or taking a chance on ourself or somebody else.

Anyway. And then alongside those will be some writing prompts. So real short video plus a writing prompt to help kind of get you guided into this place. This is an invitation to be quiet with yourself and allow you to give yourself the opportunity to think about some of these things or, yeah, see what's coming up for you.

And then on day four, we will do a lies debrief, where we will talk about as a group what. What came up? How do we feel about them? What are we gonna do about 'em? Yep. How are we gonna sort of move past some of that? So it's a totally new format. I've never done anything quite like this, but I was really, you know, over the last couple of years I've really just been, I focused on.

Tuning into our own internal wisdom. Nobody can tell you exactly what you need, right? How you need to design your business so that it supports you in the way that you envision your life. And I don't feel like it's fair for any teacher or guru or coach to tell somebody exactly what formula they need to fit to have it all figured out.

That is truly something that has to come from within, and I think this is the starting place for it. Yeah, so it's really just kind of like an opportunity to come. Come back to some of those thoughts, but I'm excited to, to share it with folks and hope it resonates. Yeah, I think it's gonna be a, a cool opportunity to kind of think about how to get over some hurdles, uh, that might be kind of holding you back and, and truly, uh.

Do a reset on your business a little bit. Yeah. Well, I'm really excited about the community aspect of it too and, and us getting together and talking about it. Because I think we can get a lot of validation when we see other That's right. Folks who are, you know, struggling with the same thing or they've been through something similar that can feel really validating.

You know, we didn. I'm gonna pause for a second 'cause we didn't talk about the community aspect and how community and living community and being in a good, strong community can also help, help you move through and posture feelings for that exact reason. Because I feel like when you do surround yourself with people who get it, you know, in this case we're talking about interior design, business ownership.

When you find yourself in community with other people who, who get that, I think that you'll, there's an ability to feel seen in a way that we just can't get from. Our small Yeah. Or our sister friend or whatever that, you know, it really takes somebody who's been in this business to Yeah. Say, oh, I, I know what that's like.

Yeah. I think, I truly think community. Is everything like helps us move forward, helps us with our mental health, helps us with imposter center. I mean, I, I really do. And so what a great opportunity to be in community with folks as we're thinking through some of these hurdles. Awesome, thanks. Forgot. Yeah.

Okay. And then would also encourage you just to subscribe to our email list if you haven't yet, and you can do that by going in the show notes and checking that out. And just wanted to give you a couple opportunity. I'll be a teacher forever. So a couple opportunities to. Continue to deepen your thinking.

Kate has some great episodes in the podcast library that I think would be really great if you wanna continue to think about this topic. A couple specific ones. Episode 26, raising Your Design Fees Without the it. Episode 28 on how limiting beliefs might be holding you back. Episode 30, perfectionism. The perfectionism trap are some good episodes to check out if you wanna continue thinking through this and, and thinking about how these ideas and thoughts can really help you in your design business.

And that's also struggling those. Please for pulling those up. Yep. We'll be sure to link to them in the show notes. Great. I'll also just wrap up by saying I'll be at High Point, so if you're gonna be there, send us a message and we will typically try to do some sort of a little meetup with folks. So if you let us know you're there.

We will, we'll get you in the group chat. Sounds great. Okay, thanks you. You next time. Bye bye.

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